Scott Treppa Thu Aug 18 15:19:50 -0400 2011

Subject: php.activerecord status

I've been looking for a lean ORM type framework for a bit and stumbled across php.activerecord. From the looks of it I should be very happy with its feature set. However, I am the tiniest bit concerned that the last "Nightly Build" was back in May 2011.

Are we to assume php.activerecord is feature complete at v1.0? I think many peoples minds would be eased if we had access to some kind of roadmap. =)

Otherwise it looks pretty good and I'm going to give it a go regardless. Thanks!

Chris VandenHeuvel Fri Aug 26 12:44:50 -0400 2011

It's not feature-complete. It doesn't even have has_and_belongs_to_many. No ORM that claims Rails for inspiration can consider itself at a 1.0 release without this.

Funny you didn't mention the fact that the last stable release was 14 months ago.

Trust your gut. This project is going nowhere unless someone else takes it over.

Jacques Fuentes Fri Aug 26 13:50:41 -0400 2011


If you were to implement the has_and_belongs_to_many feature into PHP-AR I would merge your code into master.

Chris VandenHeuvel Fri Aug 26 14:29:18 -0400 2011


That's a common response to complaints about open-source projects and in most cases it is justified.

But let me ask you ... wouldn't you be hesitant about writing a big patch for a project that, by all appearances, has been at a development standstill for months?

Jamon Holmgren Tue Sep 06 14:07:27 -0400 2011

I agree with Chris and Scott. PHP-AR is fabulous and we use the latest "nightly build" every day in our PHP development. However, the lack of updates and general lack of interest by the authors of this system is concerning. I'm not complaining -- you've put a ton of hard work and your code is A+. I'd just like to know that development is continuing OR that you are looking for someone to take it over.

My team may be interested in taking it over if you are looking for someone.

Nanne Huiges Tue Sep 13 03:50:03 -0400 2011

As a connected sidenote: I read that you are using the latest build: what is the 'best' build to use? Nightly builds change obviously, so I'm not really comfortable using that: is there a certain revision number that could be called "stable"-ish, but has (some of) the updates and fixes that came after 1.0?

Jamon Holmgren Tue Sep 13 10:48:34 -0400 2011

Nanne -- we've been using the one from May of 2010 for quite some time now with no issues. It looks like they just released one today (hallelujah!) so we will be evaluating that. Don't bother with the stable release.